• ZDL
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    Deep Dive: OSR Critique
    Our little hobby is filled with intriguing oddities.  One of the most persistent such oddities is our weird tendency to take what is already a fr...
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    ZDL
    Jun 29 '21
    > Original OD&D was not written for novices to the miniature wargaming hobby at the time.

    Again, *I KNOW THIS*. This is why OD&D is *NOT* a good thing to fall back on for "simplicity". It is literally a set of guidelines written for a very small group of people in a very narrow area who'd been presumed to know certain things already (like Arneson's long-running proto-RPG campaigns), who had access to specific rulesets (Chainmail, chiefly), and thus knew what Gygax was talking about once you got through his absolutely terrible writing.

    My thesis wasn't "OD&D was a bad thing for its time and place". It wasn't (Gygax's writing notwithstanding). It's a bad thing for *NOW*.

    The goals of the OSR are laudable. Their weird worship of an incoherent mass of lore is not one of those laudable things. That is the point.
    > Original OD&D was not written for novices to the miniature wargaming hobby at the time.

    Again, *I KNOW THIS*. This is why OD&D is *NOT* a good thing to fall back on for &qu...See more
    robertsconley
    Jun 30 '21
    Thanks that clarifies the thesis of your original post.

    As for folks and OD&D in the present, what you are not taking into account is that w now know about that "small group of people in a narrow area".

    It not a mystery to the OD&D community and more than a few folks including myself wrote out about it.

    For example Philotomy's Musings.
    http://www.grey-elf.com/philotomy.pdf

    Or Finch's Old School Primer
    https://www.lulu.com/...age=1&pageSize=4


    Folks talked to folks who ran successful OD&D campaign from back in the day and the few that continued to present.

    It not 1995, when people only had the 3 LBB to go by and scratched their head at what looked like a incoherent mass of lore. By 2005 those who didn't dismiss OD&D found out there was more to its story, including myself.

    By 2015 that story had become well known enough that folks figured out and expanded on the different ways to approach OD&D and it had regained some popularity and was supported again. Largely because OD&D did not turned out as incoherent as people thought.

    So unless what had happened for past 20 years is addressed I don't see how a thesis that OD&D is a bad fit for *NOW* can be supported.
    Thanks that clarifies the thesis of your original post.

    As for folks and OD&D in the present, what you are not taking into account is that w now know about that "small group of...See more
    ZDL
    Jun 30 '21
    I think I'm going to just start replying by quoting things already said that you apparently didn't bother reading.

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    I know a person here who does magical things with wood to the point I call him "the wood whisperer". I have seen him create wonderful works of art with a pen knife and a repurposed screwdriver. So obviously that's all you need for woodworking, right? Because in the right hands a pen knife and a screwdriver are great woodworking tools!

    Wrong.

    He wouldn't even agree with that. His workshop has about, conservatively guessing, 50 gazillion chisels alone: not one of which is a repurposed screwdriver.

    The fact that a good craftsman *can* make miracles with subpar tools doesn't mean that a) they should, or b) they'd want to.
    I think I'm going to just start replying by quoting things already said that you apparently didn't bother reading.

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    I know a person here who does magical thing...See more
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